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Arguments against pasting random texts from the internet on member houses


There has been a growing movement against the "Motorcycle story" and other Stupid Pasted Things amongst the Elftown members.
But why? Why shouldnt they be allowed in members' houses?

-The Uploading Art Rules -argument:
Elftown is very careful about copyright when it comes to art: anything stolen or random has to keep in the wiki and offenders will be banned - that is, as far as images go. Even ASCII art, where proving the original author is hazy at best, is protected from thieves here. Writing is also an art form, yet it is not protected in ET. Anyone can copy-paste anything anybody has written without even citing the source! We think it would be only fair to apply these same rules for all other art forms too, while recognicing the difference in writing: we propose that when pasting something - be it song lyrics, poems, stories or whatever - the original author must be cited, and anything uncited must stay in the wiki.

-They're meant to circle around -argument:
A lot of people defend the stories by saying "they were made to go around the internet." The obvious chain message-ness aside (more of that below), I'd like to bring this to your attention too: <diary:829651>. As you can see from it, the author of the internet circling joke in question didn't even know his text was out there! It would have been great for his booksales if the internet circling joke had mentioned him as the author. So who wrote these things that are pasted in the houses of people, and does he allow us to paste them onwards? Who could go ask him?

-The Chain Message -argument:
Most of the stupid pasted things originate as chain emails. Chain messages aren't allowed in Elftown, yet passive chain messages like these stories are ok. I don't see the difference of sending a message to someone saying "if you don't send this onwards, you'll get bad luck" and pasting a story to the presentation saying "paste this into your presentation if you are against child abuse."

-The ElfHouse is not the place for these stories -argument:
The nature of these stories makes them better suited for blogs, because they don't have such a permanent character. You read the story once. Your heart breaks. You get over it. The next day, the user puts up something different, and the story that has nothing to do with their identity, but just happened to be interesting, eventually fades away.
But your bio has a more permanent character. I don't mean that it is permanent, but it certainly isn't as fluid as your blog. In that case, it should reveal your identity, which I'm hoping is not some random fluctuation in your emotions you felt today due to reading some stupid pasted thing.

-Other text crap in bios -argument
Guards do remove useless text from bios that abuse the description. Things like
I
I l
I lo
I lov
I love
I love Y
I love Yo
I love You

Can be deleted by the guards. And that kind of thing takes a lot more effort to do than copying a sexual limerick into the description.

-Creative community -argument
It still says "community for Elftown artists, writers and hangarounds" on the main page of ET. Not only does this kind of text-stealing and copying discourage writers, but it brings down the overall creative mood in the town.

-Content -argument
Even when not considering the porn-in-rhyme limericks in the houses of 11-year-olds, the contents of these things are shaky at best. Most of the pasted things are the death of common sense. They tell about teenagers who can't express their feelings with people they love, don't trust their closest friends, go driving 90mph on a motorcycle without helmets... We see the realism there (nature's way of preventing the stupid-gene from procreating), but when it gets to "girl gets raped and is threatened to be killed if she goes to the police and she kills herself", you really have to start wondering what the point of the story is (other than turning on rapists, that is)...


What can you do about the stupid pasted things?
-Don't paste stories in your description, make your house about you.
-Write your name on The Motorcycle Story Petition and support other wikis like it.
-Whining or bitching at people never helps - keep conversations and arguments about the topic civil while making your point clear.

Some other similar wikis to look at:
Stupid Pasted things
The motorcycle petition
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2006-07-29 [Azuri]: What about the fact that alot of them are poorly written or completly off like the motocycle one there are entire wiki's for disproving the entire storyWhats Wrong With This?Who HATES the motercycle story?. Alot of them involve sex death or drugs of some form, not exactly the best thing for our youngins to be reading

2006-07-29 [iippo]: Hmm, that wouldn't sink with Hedda, to be honest. He's quite fed up with people going "omg we have to protect the children" and usually replies with "I'm not their mother." But it could be added all the same in some way that doesn't sound overly motherly.

2006-07-29 [Azuri]: Yea. Also is it just me or do those little pastie quiz's give away some information that could be used for stalkage....me thinks thats not good for anyone

2006-07-29 [Stray Kitty]: What about the I Never stuff with all the stupid questions?

2006-07-29 [iippo]: Hmm, I don't know. Those at least change for everyone and aren't copied per say, but they are quite boring to read too, and I only read if a friend has done it (in a diary or wiki or such). Suggestions?

2006-07-29 [Moonlit Serenade]: If you were going to get rid of the questions of I Never, then all the other questionaires should be offed, too. However, those questions do provide insight to the member's personality, likes, and dislikes. So there really isn't sufficient reason to ban them, other than the fact they're annoying. I fill them out when I'm bored, too, but I leave them in my diary. I'm making a wiki to try and help with it. Something like, "How to turn a quiz into an intelligent description". I've gotten my outline for it mostly done, and if you think it would be a good link, I can give you the wiki page when I'm finished with it. That way, it could encourage people to change those questionaires into

2006-07-29 [Moonlit Serenade]: descriptions that are more appealing to read.

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